Whitley Strieber Interviews John Mack

While reading reading Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries; I found references to some very prominent people like Dr John E. Mack, a very respected psychiatrist who focussed on the alien abduction phenomenon. Here’s an extract from an interview by Whitwith Dr Mack where he mentions how he first encountered Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa:

WS: Go to PEER Purchases, click on PEER Purchases, and you can get this book, and the price, for a signed copy, is an amazing twenty dollars. That’s four dollars off the regular bookstore price, for a signed copy of Passport to the Cosmos. And let me tell you, I have read this book cover to cover. You know as well as I do that I don’t read every book that we talk about on this show cover to cover. I read every word of this. It is awesome. Do not assume that it is a sequel to Abduction. It is far beyond that. John Mack has made a major breakthrough. Let’s go on now, talking a little more about that breakthrough.

One of the things that is so extraordinary about this book is the way you integrate indigenous people’s ideas and attitudes about this abduction experience throughout the book. Credo Mutwa, a leading African sansumi [?] or high medicine man, his ideas and his stories go through the whole book and they are truly amazing. We always think of this as being basically an American thing or at best a Western thing. But John Mack has blown that idea out of the water. They’re doing it and doing it better in other parts of the world. So tell us a little bit about this man. How did you meet him and what was he like, and what happened to him?

JM: Actually I hadn’t expected to meet him, when my associate Dominique Callimanopulos and I went to South Africa. Actually we were headed for Zimbabwe, because there had been some children at a school outside the capitol of Harare who had had some extraordinary sighting of UFOs that had landed in their schoolyard and they’d seen one or more “strange beings,” as one of the girls put it, come out of these spacecraft. And we received some drawings from these kids by fax, and telephone calls, so we were already planning to go to Africa but we changed our plans to make sure we went to that school. We also planned to go to South Africa for a week, and right then and there I was met at the airport and we were taken to a television station and there by satellite was Credo Mutwa because he had heard that I was going to talk about these experiences with these strange beings which he calls, or his people calls, Mandindas. Which to hear him describe those beings, [are] very much like the grey beings that we hear so much about here. And for the first time he then, he asked to see me. We spent several hours with him, and in a very movingly candid way, talked about the trauma that he’d undergone when he was a young man in the bush and had been through an experience very much like the ones that you have been through, Whitley. And at that time, I mean, I had never heard of Credo Mutwa and here within hours of landing in South Africa I was with this extraordinary medicine man talking about experiences so familiar to me from people in this country.

You can listen to the audio or read the full interview on the John E. Mack Institute website.